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TripletDaddy · 07-14-2009, 03:46 PM

ok, some more updates. There does seem to be some disconnect here.

First, Lamar did attend the preview last night, but he did not speak to local TV media. Farmar, Walton, and Fisher gave interviews. Not sure if this was done at the behest of his agent or if John Black asked Lamar to refrain from speaking since, technically, he is not a Laker right now.

First, LA Times report:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...,6204069.story

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He sounded frustrated he hasn't been able to come to terms with the Lakers on a contract. But he sounded hopeful he and the Lakers will get a deal done.

At the end of the day, Odom was asked, does he expect to be back playing for the Lakers next season?

"I don't know," Odom told The Times in a phone interview. "That's why there are negotiations. I don't know. Of course I hope they can get it done.

However, it seems that by all reports, Buss has upped his offer....I have read anywhere from 8.5 to 9M....which would now seem to indicate that Lamar has some other sort of issue. Why would he be generating this negative vibe over 1M?

Quote:

The Times has reported that Odom and his agent, Jeff Schwartz, are seeking $10 million a season. The Lakers have offered Odom a deal north of $9 million a season for the first three years.

From Forum Blue and Gold:

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First, regarding the news on Odom that Mitch Kupchak said the Lakers are more pessimistic about a deal. If I were the Lakers and I went to Odom and upped my offer to $8.5 mil (the number I heard here at Summer League) and he took his sweet time making a decision, I would be a little disappointed. And I might well try a little negotiating through the media to get my point across. Simply put, Odom is not getting a better offer anywhere at this point, so if he wants to wait out the Portland/Utah thing, go ahead. I think the Lakers are done negotiating.

Lakers Nation is reporting that Miami has entered the pic. They are offering Lamar the MLE for 5 years. When asked about the Miami offer, Lamar declined to comment.

http://www.lakersnation.com/latest-q...om/2009/07/13/

Losing Lamar would be a serious blow to the Lakers chances for a repeat. In fact, I would say that it would be unlikely that they repeat without Lamar to plug holes all season long. It would not be impossible (Bryant, Gasol, Artest, Bynum) but all of a sudden that bench doesn't look so magically delicious.

TripletDaddy · 07-14-2009, 04:15 PM

Dallas smells blood in the water. Now talking to Lamar.

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1835

Flystripper · 07-14-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Dallas smells blood in the water. Now talking to Lamar.

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1835

EFF U Mark Cuban!

Surfah · 07-14-2009, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Dallas smells blood in the water. Now talking to Lamar.

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1835

Barrea? They're thinking we do a S&T and we get Barrea? We don't want a diminutive PG. At least I don't.

FN Phat · 07-14-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Surfah

Barrea? They're thinking we do a S&T and we get Barrea? We don't want a diminutive PG. At least I don't.

I thought that he looked promising at the end of the year. Also, Jax did well with BJ Armstrong.

TripletDaddy · 07-14-2009, 04:48 PM

Go back to the very first page of this epic thread. Looks like Surfah and I were using our seer stones to predict the future.

Scottie gets credit for his spot-on analysis in the first post.

FN Phat · 07-14-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

The Lakers are evil.

You are right DDD, IPU nailed it on the 7th post of the thread.

Surfah · 07-14-2009, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Go back to the very first page of this epic thread. Looks like Surfah and I were using our seer stones to predict the future.

Scottie gets credit for his spot-on analysis in the first post.

I am a scryer.

Looks like the Lakers offered 3 years $27 million dollars. LO wants more years. So the Lakers pulled the offer.

TripletDaddy · 07-14-2009, 05:15 PM

ok, so surfah and I may have missed a few things here and there earlier in the season...

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showpo...&postcount=160

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showpo...&postcount=163

Surfah · 07-14-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

ok, so surfah and I may have missed a few things here and there earlier in the season...

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showpo...&postcount=160

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showpo...&postcount=163

LOL. I am glad to be wrong on that one.

Surfah · 07-14-2009, 05:47 PM

How the Artest negotiation went down:

My favorite line:

Agent: I just got off the phone with Mitch Kupchak
RonRon: What'd he want?
Agent: What do you think he wants? He want's to get you a championship next year.

Surfah · 07-14-2009, 08:48 PM

LakerNation Twitter says:

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Rumors around the web is that Miami is prepared to do a deal with the Lakers - Lamar get signed & traded for Former No. 2 - M.Beasley

Interesting. Not sure how I feel about it yet.

FN Phat · 07-14-2009, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surfah

LakerNation Twitter says:

Interesting. Not sure how I feel about it yet.

Feel grateful that it won't ever happen. You need LO, not an inexperienced thug from PG County, that has never seen a shot he didn't like.

Surfah · 07-14-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FN Phat

Feel grateful that it won't ever happen. You need LO, not an inexperienced thug from PG County, that has never seen a shot he didn't like.

Well it's just a rumor until the Lakers hire a new assistant coach.

TripletDaddy · 07-14-2009, 10:14 PM

Ted Green to Lamar Odom's agent: pull your head out.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spor...-schwartz.html

Donuthole · 07-14-2009, 10:20 PM

In other LA professional basketball news, the Clippers are reportedly meeting with Allen Iverson to look him in the face and be reassured that he is ready to be the leader and role-model that Blake Griffin needs. Brilliant move by the Clips.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4326602

TripletDaddy · 07-14-2009, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donuthole

In other LA professional basketball news, the Clippers are reportedly meeting with Allen Iverson to look him in the face and be reassured that he is ready to be the leader and role-model that Blake Griffin needs. Brilliant move by the Clips.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4326602

I read that before the Clippers came along, Iverson was having trouble finding anything more than a couple mil a season. Man, has his star faded fast. Guys like Starbury, Iverson, Francis.....little cancers around the league that can't find work anymore because of their poor attitudes.

Surfah · 07-15-2009, 03:50 AM

Ammo is tearing up the summer league. As he should, but I hope this gets his confidence back up. Averaging 20/5/2 with 42% from 3pt land. The guy could be useful.

Surfah · 07-15-2009, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Ted Green to Lamar Odom's agent: pull your head out.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spor...-schwartz.html

I heard that Buss pulled that offer already. At least that's the fodder on the boards. That's not a good sign.

TripletDaddy · 07-15-2009, 04:35 AM

He did. Offer is off the table now. Lakers say that Odom's agent isn't returning calls today, which pissed the Lakers off.

Can someone please explain what Lamar's plan may be? I am not seeing it. If he is holding out over money, where else will he go to get 9M per?

Without Odom, the Lakers do not repeat.

TripletDaddy · 07-15-2009, 04:49 AM

Ugh.....one rumor floating around is a trade......to the Jazz.....for Boozer. Yuck.

I laughed that off until I saw that Boozer basically expects to be traded in the next few weeks.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9...xpecting-trade

A S&T would work, no? Doesn't Boozer make around 12M? They could front end a deal for Lamar by giving him 11M or so in the first year, 10 or so the rest.

Boozer for Lamar, straight up.

I am sick to my stomach.

CJF · 07-15-2009, 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Ugh.....one rumor floating around is a trade......to the Jazz.....for Boozer. Yuck.

I laughed that off until I saw that Boozer basically expects to be traded in the next few weeks.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9...xpecting-trade

A S&T would work, no? Doesn't Boozer make around 12M? They could front end a deal for Lamar by giving him 11M or so in the first year, 10 or so the rest.

Boozer for Lamar, straight up.

I am sick to my stomach.

Boozer would actually be a nice player in the Lakers system. My biggest complaint is that he seems to be unable or unwilling to put forth effort on the defensive side of the court. He's a good offensive player and a stud rebounder when healthy. With several solid to good defensive players on the Lakers, Artest, Bynum, Kobe, and even Gasol, Boozer's glaring weakness could be masked pretty well.

TripletDaddy · 07-15-2009, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJF

Boozer would actually be a nice player in the Lakers system. My biggest complaint is that he seems to be unable or unwilling to put forth effort on the defensive side of the court. He's a good offensive player and a stud rebounder when healthy. With several solid to good defensive players on the Lakers, Artest, Bynum, Kobe, and even Gasol, Boozer's glaring weakness could be masked pretty well.

Yes, and frankly, he would be in a position to shine, being the 3rd or 4th option on the team. But I cant get down with his laziness. There were several instances in the series vs the Lakers where he simply didn't even try to bang for position, grab a rebound, and in one instance, he let Trevor pick him clean and didn't even attempt to chase him down on the other end, resulting in an easy dunk for Ariza.

The Cavs, Spurs, Mavs, and Celtics all got stronger. The Blazers will be better. The Lakers need toughness and players committed to getting physical if they are going to repeat. I just don't see Boozer having a month like Lamar, where Lamar pulls down 16, 17, 18, 19 rebounds...comes off the bench, starts, scores 19, and does about 5 other things for the team in order to win.

I am not trying to slag on the Jazz here. I am talking specifically about Boozer. He has made a messy bed for himself. His rep, fairly or otherwise, is that he is lazy defensively. The last thing the Lakers need is another soft big/quasi big.

If Boozer could commit to working hard, it would be a good fit for one year, esp since the salaries would be so close anyway.

TripletDaddy · 07-15-2009, 05:35 AM

LA Times reports that the offer is officially off the table. This is high stakes poker right here.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9...veteran-F-Odom

wtf are these agents doing? I am wondering why I didn't become a sports agent. Seems like you don't have to be competent at anything to be an agent....which would suit my abilities perfectly.

Quote:

Lakers owner Jerry Buss, in particular, has been upset by the fact that Odom and his agent, Jeff Schwartz, haven't reached out to the organization, which offered the Lakers' sixth man $9 million per season for three years, the Times.

Schwartz, instead, is interested in a deal that would give the veteran forward a total of $50 million over five years.

The newspaper also reported that Buss is displeased that Odom and Schwartz have had discussions with the Dallas Mavericks and Miami Heat — but not the Lakers.

TripletDaddy · 07-15-2009, 05:54 AM

Gary Miller reporting the official numbers.

Today Lakers offered Lamar 3 yrs for $30M OR 4 yrs for $36M. Lamar's agent didn't even respond.

Meanwhile, the agent does talk to Dallas and Miami...about a mid level exception per annum over 5 years. dumb.

CJF · 07-15-2009, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Gary Miller reporting the official numbers.

Today Lakers offered Lamar 3 yrs for $30M OR 4 yrs for $36M. Lamar's agent didn't even respond.

Meanwhile, the agent does talk to Dallas and Miami...about a mid level exception per annum over 5 years. dumb.

Is it possible that this is Artest fall out?

SoCalCoug · 07-15-2009, 06:02 AM

Yeah, and when I told another attorney the other day that if his didn't give in, we're just going to trial, I meant it, too.

scottie · 07-15-2009, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Ugh.....one rumor floating around is a trade......to the Jazz.....for Boozer. Yuck.

I laughed that off until I saw that Boozer basically expects to be traded in the next few weeks.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9...xpecting-trade

A S&T would work, no? Doesn't Boozer make around 12M? They could front end a deal for Lamar by giving him 11M or so in the first year, 10 or so the rest.

Boozer for Lamar, straight up.

I am sick to my stomach.

As a Jazz fan I'd be for this trade except I'm not sure how Odom would react to Sloan being a dick to him all the time.

il Padrino Ute · 07-15-2009, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottie

As a Jazz fan I'd be for this trade except I'm not sure how Odom would react to Sloan being a dick to him all the time.

If Odom would be stupid enough to get too far out of line, Sloan would kick his ass.

cougjunkie · 07-15-2009, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surfah

LakerNation Twitter says:

Interesting. Not sure how I feel about it yet.

This is the exact trade that is being talked about for Boozer. Mark Blount and Beasley for Boozer.

In other news the Spurs look to be closing in on a deal with Big Baby Davis. Mcdyess, Duncan, Big Baby, is a nice front line.

07-14-2009, 04:15 PM	#1652
TripletDaddy Pissy Little Doggie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 22,230	Dallas smells blood in the water. Now talking to Lamar. http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1835 __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Moron, you need to bone up on history and start becoming a student of 3D's posts." - SeattleUte "When 3D says cool there's nothing wrong with it. When I do I'm embarrasing myself." - SeattleUte "USC is like the moon, a gravitational pull" - SeattleUte "I know this church is true" - Babes

07-14-2009, 04:48 PM	#1656
TripletDaddy Pissy Little Doggie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 22,230	Go back to the very first page of this epic thread. Looks like Surfah and I were using our seer stones to predict the future. Scottie gets credit for his spot-on analysis in the first post. __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Moron, you need to bone up on history and start becoming a student of 3D's posts." - SeattleUte "When 3D says cool there's nothing wrong with it. When I do I'm embarrasing myself." - SeattleUte "USC is like the moon, a gravitational pull" - SeattleUte "I know this church is true" - Babes

07-14-2009, 05:15 PM	#1659
TripletDaddy Pissy Little Doggie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 22,230	ok, so surfah and I may have missed a few things here and there earlier in the season... http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showpo...&postcount=160 http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showpo...&postcount=163 __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Moron, you need to bone up on history and start becoming a student of 3D's posts." - SeattleUte "When 3D says cool there's nothing wrong with it. When I do I'm embarrasing myself." - SeattleUte "USC is like the moon, a gravitational pull" - SeattleUte "I know this church is true" - Babes

07-14-2009, 05:47 PM	#1661
Surfah Puni Sanchez Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: F'burg, VA Posts: 12,426	How the Artest negotiation went down: My favorite line: Agent: I just got off the phone with Mitch Kupchak RonRon: What'd he want? Agent: What do you think he wants? He want's to get you a championship next year. __________________ "Nobody listens to Turtle." -Turtle Last edited by Surfah; 07-14-2009 at 05:49 PM.

07-14-2009, 10:14 PM	#1665
TripletDaddy Pissy Little Doggie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 22,230	Ted Green to Lamar Odom's agent: pull your head out. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spor...-schwartz.html __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Moron, you need to bone up on history and start becoming a student of 3D's posts." - SeattleUte "When 3D says cool there's nothing wrong with it. When I do I'm embarrasing myself." - SeattleUte "USC is like the moon, a gravitational pull" - SeattleUte "I know this church is true" - Babes

07-14-2009, 10:20 PM	#1666
Donuthole Dethroned* Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 5,362	In other LA professional basketball news, the Clippers are reportedly meeting with Allen Iverson to look him in the face and be reassured that he is ready to be the leader and role-model that Blake Griffin needs. Brilliant move by the Clips. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4326602 __________________ There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock *No GPS Necessary

07-15-2009, 03:50 AM	#1668
Surfah Puni Sanchez Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: F'burg, VA Posts: 12,426	Ammo is tearing up the summer league. As he should, but I hope this gets his confidence back up. Averaging 20/5/2 with 42% from 3pt land. The guy could be useful. __________________ "Nobody listens to Turtle." -Turtle

07-15-2009, 04:35 AM	#1670
TripletDaddy Pissy Little Doggie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 22,230	He did. Offer is off the table now. Lakers say that Odom's agent isn't returning calls today, which pissed the Lakers off. Can someone please explain what Lamar's plan may be? I am not seeing it. If he is holding out over money, where else will he go to get 9M per? Without Odom, the Lakers do not repeat. __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Moron, you need to bone up on history and start becoming a student of 3D's posts." - SeattleUte "When 3D says cool there's nothing wrong with it. When I do I'm embarrasing myself." - SeattleUte "USC is like the moon, a gravitational pull" - SeattleUte "I know this church is true" - Babes

07-15-2009, 04:49 AM	#1671
TripletDaddy Pissy Little Doggie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 22,230	Ugh.....one rumor floating around is a trade......to the Jazz.....for Boozer. Yuck. I laughed that off until I saw that Boozer basically expects to be traded in the next few weeks. http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9...xpecting-trade A S&T would work, no? Doesn't Boozer make around 12M? They could front end a deal for Lamar by giving him 11M or so in the first year, 10 or so the rest. Boozer for Lamar, straight up. I am sick to my stomach. __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Moron, you need to bone up on history and start becoming a student of 3D's posts." - SeattleUte "When 3D says cool there's nothing wrong with it. When I do I'm embarrasing myself." - SeattleUte "USC is like the moon, a gravitational pull" - SeattleUte "I know this church is true" - Babes

07-15-2009, 05:54 AM	#1675
TripletDaddy Pissy Little Doggie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 22,230	Gary Miller reporting the official numbers. Today Lakers offered Lamar 3 yrs for $30M OR 4 yrs for $36M. Lamar's agent didn't even respond. Meanwhile, the agent does talk to Dallas and Miami...about a mid level exception per annum over 5 years. dumb. __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Moron, you need to bone up on history and start becoming a student of 3D's posts." - SeattleUte "When 3D says cool there's nothing wrong with it. When I do I'm embarrasing myself." - SeattleUte "USC is like the moon, a gravitational pull" - SeattleUte "I know this church is true" - Babes

07-15-2009, 06:02 AM	#1677
SoCalCoug I like to dance! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 2,120	Yeah, and when I told another attorney the other day that if his didn't give in, we're just going to trial, I meant it, too. __________________ If we disagree on something, it's because you're wrong. "Somebody needs to kill my trial attorney." — Last words of George Harris, executed in Missouri on Sept. 13, 2000.

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